If you are confronted by a bear, leave the deer or food and do not run as this triggers the predators instinct to charge after you as prey. I just want to compliment you for making an extremely intelligent decision. This I know from personal experience! A few years back I went to Alaska, rented a 44 pickup camper,& spent 6 weeks in the boondocks, with only my wife. May 12, 2018. My buddy Marty Groppi who enjoys the famous trout streams of Upstate New York carries a Smith & Wesson Model 29 in the classic .44 Magnum, a combination that will most definitely save your bacon. Having read that the US Fish and Game guys carried .357 Mag in bear country, but this was in the 1970s, and I have no ides how true that was or is now, I figured 10mm S&W with hardball would do the job even better, but the hunters I hang with think that never gets old. 66% of kills among collared mountain lions were mule deer. Though perhaps semi-obsolete, if not obsolete for law enforcement 4 5/8 inch barrelpretty comfortable to carry . That said, the 4-3-1 is a simple and effective rule of thumb. The mountain lion also occasionally preys on domestic livestock and pets. 1400+ fpm with a 140-grain FMJ bullet out of a 4.5-inch barrel. While Snap decisions in day to day life are a bad idea.. Crossdraw holster. 50 round box should last a lifetime. 9mm & 38? The most restrictive, California State Proposition 117, passed in 1990, prohibits the killing of any mountain lion except in the case of an animal that poses a direct threat to people, pets, or . might be ok for a black bear, but will likely piss off a coastal bear. Dick Casulls brainchild improves the ballistics of the .45 Colt even in modern handguns and provides an entirely different performance level for those who can handle it. A Sacramento Bee investigation revealed in 2017 that thanks to that language, Californians have killed far more mountain lions since Proposition 117 passed then they did before.. I have a buddy who guided a hunter with a .50 AE to a brown in the late eighties when it came out and it was a disaster. The bear biologist was tracking the animals when I stepped out of the woods and she told me how close we were to the bear. Mountain Lions have been known to take out horses, cattle, sheep . I . Of the pistols that you listed carry the one you shoot best. I was very intrigued by their weapons selection. delivered him from a mortal fate. killed a mountain lion years back with a 3 inch 629, 240 grain hollow points, was not impressed. 10 mm. reviews, Put up the fishing gear and settled in for the night. What we can do is provide a framework to understand what average conditions might look like, and whether those are reasonably viable for a shot from the average shooter to harvest a cougar or mountain lion in the fewest number of shots possible, i.e., ethically. Good stuff. The Marine carried an AR15/M4 .223 REM/5.56MM. style bullet or a solid jacketed bullet with a large flat meplat no mater the caliber used. Oaf commented on the case strength, I personally use Starline cases mostly, and have not had a failure yet, however I do only use those cases for 2 heavy loadings, and then relegate them to lesser cowboy loads. Our neighbor asked if I would come over and put it down. Winchester lists their .410 GA slugs as 1800 feet per second. They invited me out and told me that if I go, be forewarned that there are grizzlies about. All shots were heart lung.The racoon dispatched with a .45 was knocked about 4 inches sideways, crawled about a foot and died, the racoons shot with the 9 mm flinched and continued staggering towards a brushy ditch and escape, I placed a shot between the shoulder blades as I had gotten behind it and advanced from the high bank of the ditch. In Alaska, meat is often removed from a kill site via a frame pack and two strong legs, and all that blood creates a scent trail like a flashing All-you-can-eat buffet advertisement. 540 gr leaving the 7 barrel at 1200 FPS. Anyhow, nice article and just consider the glock 10 mm if you are comfortable with a semi-auto tyoe pistol. Bear spray works on mountain lions, and the concept behind its usage remains the same for many large carnivores. against a pack of feral dogs a .38 Special is highly effective and lethal. I have two dogs and they said that might provoke the bears. In Africa the wholesale slaughter of wild game was done to make room for agriculture and the safety of the farmers many of whom blasted off their feet the entire big game population for miles around. Mountain lions have a size advantage, a power advantage, and more weapons in their arsenal to kill a wolf. Any thoughts on this combo for bear country? Being aware that sounds and smell plays a role in a bears survival by detecting prey, keep food or harvested deer meat or other game tightly contained as it would be analogous to swimming in blood filled water with man-eating sharks. Loaded with good ammunition, either of these Smith & Wesson .44 Magnums will make excellent bear medicine. The next stage of the disease results in paralysis. @1,3000+ FPS, a 255 gr. Good luck It is not as if that information is widely out there ..This is part of a Strategy. 6. and when was the last time you saw a wolves, let alone a bear.?????? Hunters must contact a CPW office within 48 hours of a lion . The lion did not attack further and the boys uncle shot at the cat. Of course, I dont live in Alaska, nor have I ever killed a bear. It seems to be a matter of carrying largest caliber you can for the situation, with the proviso that you be able to deliver sufficient rounds on target. By Mary Forgione. Roughly the same size as my 8 S & W 44 mag, but a lot more fire power. Lions or parts cannot be taken out of Colorado unless inspected and sealed. Cork Graham (corkgraham.com) , a fellow writer, hunter, and Alaska resident not to mention an actor on the Discovery Channel had a bit of a different perspective. In that vein, and considering the real vs. imaginary threat posed by bears, a familiar 9mm loaded with non-expanding bullets is a lot better than a heavy .44 or .500 you left at home or are not completely proficient with. From one Phil to another, sage advice. C. After a Loss Depredation Permit Process. From the Noatak to Frazier Lake, Kodiak, Ive seen a lot of bears. But the animals are wandering into populated areas more regularly in search of food. Hopefully, this link will work. Mountain lions are normally very secretive and cautious. Humans travel about 21MPH tops.. Bears.. 35mph.. He said not really. and I usually see a grizzly when I hunt almost within sight of Cody Wy. Ruger, I believe that folks who do their own reloading can increase the powder and velocity of this caliber, but I am reluctant to try the beefed up bullets in a Scandium or polymer framed weapon. In fact, a shot from a .357 caliber revolver or a shotgun at close range is more likely to kill a mountain lion than an accidental discharge . The short barrel clears the holster fast and the Ruger frame is tougher than the S&W. Ive never seen too many other rounds do so much damage. Penetration and shot placement are king. A woman was killed by a cougar, in Washington State a couple of weeks ago, while mountain biking. That is a political and social problem.. My handloads push a 300-grain hard-cast bullet to 1,614 fps. while you are on the road system you are in cell phone communications 90% of the time. I was carrying my S&W M-57 4 inch gun. More than 12,400 mountain lions were killed between 1907 and 1963 and turned in for bounties, according to the Mountain Lion Foundation. If I had not shot the hog with a .44 Magnum I think it would have ended very badly. with my S&W 500 magnum. Yes and no.. A powerful handgun with a tough, deep penetrating bullet is the key. Ive literally seen .38 spl ricochet of the skulls of hogs, later being found somewhere between the hide and muscle upon skinning. What would be the minimum barrel length for any bear spanker? For more information about Federal ammunition, click here. Fortunately the latter emptied his 4 Smith and Wesson Model 66 A member of the group shot the lion twice, killing it, Babb said. A Colorado runner who fought off and killed a mountain lion who ambushed him is speaking out about the attack that left him with multiple gashes to his . Your .357 magnum should be fine and easier to get off a second shot on target. I finally settled on attempting to use Hodgden Universal powder for the first go, since it shows the potential to give good velocity with the lighter 170-grain bullets. bird watching, hiking, backpacking, and enjoying nature. A 629 classic 44 Mag. Excellent article! Before any bear country hunt I practice with it a lot. No mention here of my favorite back woods carry gun, a 50 cal Desert Eagle. This would include insanely lar. Plus spray gives you a non-lethal way of dealing with somebody's "loving" pet. Im curious as to why you only show five rounds of .45 LC with your Ruger. Stupidity has no limits ! Sounds like you have everything covered. We hadnt thought of that. 6+1 capacity, and will group within 3 inches at 25 yds. Deerfield, IL School Superintendent Violates Illinois Law With Gun Control Call To Action, Armed Self-Defense Chronicles: When a Detroit Doctor Defended Himself and His Family Against a Racist Mob. 255gr. Now before we take a look at particular models and calibers, lets get one basic premise out of the way: when the excrement hits the oscillator, any gun is better than no gun. Here in Upstate New York we have a very healthy black bear population, and highway sightings are quickly becoming a regular occurrence, as are the classic raids on bird feeders and garbage cans alike. . Park staff monitor the population through satellite GPS collars, remote cameras and . Thats why I would always plan to have with me.a friend who could not run as fast as me!!!!! Schalow was 10 years old at the time. Almost no one practices with bear spray and almost no one can get their can to bear (pun intended) and spray within 4-5 seconds. Worse is the comment on using a .38 Spl in bear country is better then no gun: BS, if your not prepared, dont go! Shoot, shovel, and shut up. I have seen that cartridge fail horribly on black bears and hogs. The 12 ga. Ill take the capacity of an auto loader in 45 Super, 10mm or Rowland any day. However, the realization that you might have to use one to defend against a couple-hundred pounds of teeth and fangs doesnt exactly make one feel like Zorro; in fact, I looked down at it and said to myself:This is gonna hurt. I read with interest the side arms in bear country. Plenty of good options in DA revolvers tried and true .44 mag, .454 casull, .460 S&W, etc. Lets stop trying to impress each other with useless specifications and gobbly-gooky BS. There are too many variables involved to deliberatly under gun yourself on a planned trip in bear country. A .38 caliber revolver naturally makes an ideal companion for fishing, camping, hunting, Mountain lions will usually stay within their own habitats and hunt for their own food sources. She hid, and downed it with one behind the ear at very close range, and followed up with five more (all the bullets she had) to make sure. I love packing iron, but in a 44 mag, 300 grain load minimum for bigger critters. Does Bear Spray work?.. Back in the 70s, this form of competition was only for revolvers. Ill stick The problem is the gun. Hunters killed off mountain lions in the park in the 1930s but the animals moved back in during the 1980s. The issues penetration. Black bears and mountain lions can be killed if they cause death or injury to other people. Its the sick, injured, old one that will risk human contact. The dogs are most often released at the kill site, where they pick up the lion's scent and track the lion until it is cornered or climbs a tree. I have killed over 140 head of big game in Australia, waterbuffalo, moose, elk, deer, antelope, hogs, exotics, many black bear, and one charging brown bear in Alaska at 5 feet with a hand gun. He said none. I used them for too many years to be so. You should just mount a 50 cal. In the early hours of 25 November 2016, the day after . I have a CZ52 that shoots the old PPsH Tokarev LMG round. do revolvers. How many miles can a mountain lion travel? Hell I wish someone would make a wheel gun for the 416 rem mag. Full size 9mm is better, a rifle/shotgun with it's longer sight radius is even better (with the .380 as a backup still). Lmaoand excellent thought below about the 454 brass trimmed down. DRT. Long story short, Phil was forced to put the grizzly down. Then it rolled over and started walking. Lesson learned never keep food for bears in your camp site. A 22 may kill a mountain lion, but a 44 magnum will kill their soul as well. Not trying to be cute, but when you slaughter a hog, you shoot them in the head. Carry the most powerful gun you can actually effectively use. My second firearm of choice because it works for two legged predator as well is my Springfield XDM 460 Rowland. into the Grizzly point blank range killing it. 1988 a Montana Fish and Game Officer utilized same handgun to dispatch a Grizzly We could provide billions of data bytes and not help with our purpose and goals. This one took exception.) Do you have a question about mountain lions? Colorado Springs, Colo. The craggy mesas and sagebrush valleys of the West have a wild horse problem. And if he could run too fast, any caliber will work for knee caps!!!! Look it up. I recently read the account of a man in Oregon who survived a black bear attack. Not back in the camper because its too heavy or bulky. carry the biggest piece of iron that you can place multiple rounds accurately and in very little time, amigos.. Remember one thing in Bear country. I own several Casulls, but my favorite handgun is a 5-inch, custom Freedom Arms Model 83 that Ken Kelly tricked out for me. Im glad she now carries the Liberty ammo. My close friend and ex-county sheriff assures me that, unless you are acting like an idiot, most sheriffs here in Colorado will just shake your hand and wish you a good day, IF they happen to see your with a magazine with > 15 rounds. vintage Smith and Wesson Model 66 is a classic beautiful handgun with pinned barrel, My other handgun, my day-to-day gun, is a well-worn Smith & Wesson Model 36, in .38 Special. Its been years since Ive regularly shot revolvers. 9MM hollow points will kill anything in Texas short of a feral hog. Mountain Lion Attack Stopped by Man with Handgun in 2010, Teenager Sexually Assaults Friends Mom, Gets Rejected at Gunpoint, TTAG Daily Digest: Actually Shooting Someone, Ratings Kryptonite and the NRA in the Time of Trump. Picture yourself on your back with a bear in your face and you trying to fight him off with one hand and reaching for your gun. Jim Farmer # 3. courage1. The author is right in the close terrain on of the Bitterroors, youre only going to get two shots off and the second one will be point blank. It is same size as glock 21 (45 acp) so you can practice with the 45 for a lot cheaper. Until you dump a 15 rd mag into some calibrated ballistics gel, hold your amateur and mis-informed comments for all the other mommys wanna bes. He was knocked down to the ground getting mauled fending off the black bear with his left arm while he drew and fired his semi-auto point blank into the bears throat with his right. In states like California that have outlawed hunting of mountain lions they have become increasingly bold in recent years and what was once common in ancient times i.e. If you choose bear spray as your only alternative more power to you. A good friend used to go to Alaska to fish. heat treated WFN LBT now for these situations. I carried a 454 casull in Alaska heavy l now carry a glock 20 10mm 15 rounds even if I dont stop the bear shooting all the way to the end just makes me fell better. A single bite around the throat from a mountain lion can be fatal to prey . A good read but I dont really see the top handguns to carry. They are considered important in maintaining ecosystems and controlling other animal populations such as deer, its preferred prey. Can you show any proof that we are destroying anything? My only proof of that assertion goes back 17 years when I was unkowingly walking my blind dog very near a collared grizzly sow with two cubs. wolves While not nearly as large as a puma, Ive shot three rabid racoons around here. Which brings up the old but true adage. P.J. He saved them both, barely, with his .338 rifle. A bear spray story- double action using 250gr. I was charged and shot the first round at about 15 ft. 2nd followed immediately. Certainly a .22 is enough to kill anything if you shoot it in the head point blank. The Southern California man charged with shooting and killing a protected mountain lion this summer has been sentenced to 30 days in jail and was ordered to serve 240 hours of community service in . Are they prudent, not for me. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. You can keep your semi-autos and single action revolvers. After all that I have come to some conclusions about killing things with a handgun. Two young men from SoCal (where else?) Maybe a man purse could hold 2 #s of C4? Can some of the huge pistols work? A mountain lion would win a fight against a wolf. Also the .454 C uses a rifle primer to handle the high pressure generated whereas the 45 Colt uses a pistol primer. In the middle of our camps we kept a ready shotgun on a small folding table so if a quick exit from the tents was called for, everyone at least know where that one was. The authors well-worn, and well-loved Ruger Blackhawk in .45 Colt is a perfect handgun for bear country. He makes a grizzly look like a cub. It is all filled with a bias against firearms.. Spent half my working career in Alaska, hunted, fished, hiked. coyote-wolf hybrids When I asked him for his insight, he was kind enough to respond in detail. News California Dogs Wildlife Pit Bull. There are some real men out there who have seen a bear in a zoo and have shot their 500 SW 4 times 6 years ago. The .45 Colt (L) and .454 Casull (R). Newsweek has contacted the California Department of Fish and Wildlife for comment. Ive been privileged enough to take a couple of black bears in both Quebec and New York and have seen many more while at work and play. would have been just as well dead anyway. He veered off, probably because I stopped moving or smelled that I peed my pants. why dont you buy a BB gun for backup. Conflicts between mountain lions and humans have become more common in recent years due to habitat degradation and increasing populations. uh://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/two-attacked-by-cougar-identified-wildlife-officials-say-predator-was-emaciated/?utm_source=email&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=article_title_1.1, https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/two-attacked-by-cougar-identified-wildlife-officials-say-predator-was-emaciated/. I looked at my knife on my hip and quickly decided thst wouldnt work. Even had to qualify with it if you carried it as part of your job duties. A handgun was what you might carry out to take a dump at night to make you feel better. You will only have only one chance to prove fluffy wont kill you. I can say the 41 is probably my minimum for the big bears. This is largely down to a lack of resources in their own habitats. You can love a single action revolver but you wont find an Alaskan guide or hunter carrying one, or a semi-auto pistol without a 45-70 or 338WinMag at the ready. Suddenly everyone was yelling at Paul not to move and the somewhat lethargic lion placed his jaw on the boys head and put its paw on him. Magnum revolver for not only armed defense against both two and four legged I have a Springsfield 460 Rowland and 400 CarBon for bears and back cup with 357 Mag in a Tarus 7 shoot to stop any bear. You have entered an incorrect email address! We were given dominance over the animals, and we all got here at the same time. I call BS. James A. One thing that does not get mentioned much is that Y pattern that a charging bears head presents makes for a difficult target to hit. They could see the best place to setup before the Mosquito came out. The Mountain Lion will return to feed on the prey for up to 10 days. This is a real concern on the outskirts of . The SW 460 mag xvr is the best choice in my opinion. Those pesky day to day perils of life keep getting in the way. You show five rounds with your .38, six rounds with your Model 29, but all of your pictures with the Ruger .45 only show FIVE. I had a face off not far from lake Iliamna with that combo and would not have traded it for the world. I have a short barrel S&W 629 that Ken Kelly modified. thank you kindly for sharing your extensive knowlege and guidance.I would be interested in your opinion of Underwood extreme penetrator cartridge 44 mag or 45 lc as to changing the attitude of a not well intentioned any bear . For those not familiar with this gun, think Dirty Harry. The .44 Magnum is definite bear medicine. Did they field dress and later skin it ? took advantage of this for their hike the following day. Buffalo bore makes a 380 grain hardcast gas checked round now too. In your expert opinion is my 44mag redhawk with LBT heat treated solids weighing 300 grains adequate? Mr. Massaro, it is men like you who make our country and our military great! When I go into the Cascades, I always take a .357 revolver. RIP ammo is fine against flesh, as in human flesh. With the exception of Mr. Shoemaker who has more experience than I will ever even hope to have bigger seems to be better. Photo Courtesy: Cork Graham. Carry a 5 S&W 500 loaded with 700 gr hardcast from Ballistic Supply. The Smith & Wesson 329 PD is by far the best handgun choice for self-defense against bears and boars while out and about in the woods. Also, for killing venomous snakes. Florida State Lawmakers Introduce 'Constitutional Carry', The Staccato CS Brings Real Performance to the Concealed, Meet ROSE: SIG SAUER's Complete Concealed Carry Solution for, Honolulu Issues First Concealed Carry License. This is no problem as we are talking about a custom pistol anyway. the 45 colt will out perform even the 454 if the right cases are used in bullet weights up to 410gr. As most readers are probably aware, a cougar (aka mountain lion) attacked a couple of mountain bikers in California last month [ Outside Online News: January 9 . I have been carrying my 1911 or my Taurus PT-92 for years and know what each round can do as a former US Army medic. They are most active between dusk and dawn, and generally avoid contact with humans. He ran to get the gun, and when the animal started to investigate whether P.J.s head was bite-sized, Smith told him to shoot the animal, which he did with one extremely well-placed shot. No browns in this neck of the woods so no need for the really big bore guns. I sure wanted to sit and talk to him about all the storys they brought back. Not only is a 45 Colt that is hand loaded right there with the 44 magnum, or even out performing the 44 magnum. This calls for a heavy crimp (I use a Redding profile crimp die and seat and crimp in two seperate operations useing H-11O or Win. My advice would be take the largest caliber you can comfortably handle. I carry a 10 round 9mm when bow and black powder hunting in Black Bear country. Defensive purse swinging! In any case, the uncle deserves commendation for shooting straight in a tense situation. Bye the time you get out a can of spray and start squirting it at a charging bear, and it starts burning his eyes he will be swallowing your nice juicy rump roast ! He shot it twice point blank with his 9mm and the hog just shook its head and continued to walk around. 296) Alan and Alex are correct. I usually carry it in a cross-draw holster that allows me to ride a horse or ATV. When the smoke cleared the bear was on its back waving its legs. can of bear spray is your best defense, for within 50 feet. What do you know! Any bear is a big, tough critter and to stop them you will need to penetrate and break stuff like big bones or skulls. the reason to own a .38/.357 revolver. The lion can then be shot and removed, or tranquilized and transplanted at least 300 miles (480 km) away. The one time I did push these cases was to experiment with that claim, and after 5 heavy loadings, the primer pockets were very loose, but no sign of any case separation. the vast majority of industry gun writers are basically shilling new gear and tend to exist in a repetitive echo chamber with little or no practical experience. This article leaves folks thinking their 45 or 9mm or single action is excellent bear medicine the fact is they are just poor at best. That being said I would never recommend a .22 for bear protection or hunting. Live in Alaska. Had that sow felt threatened, I wouldnt have known what hit me. The Interior Grizzlies are not like your fat on salmon Brownies. Most of the time if all you are trying to do is keep the bears from attacking you, wear bells on your clothing as the old timers did. With those animals ranging from 30 pounds to 1200 pounds, there is no single optimum caliber/bullet combination. My rule of thumb is the minimum is 4-3-1. One California farmer found herself caught up in a conservation dilemma, after a wild mountain lion attacked her ranch and killed her animals. Its very light and handy to carry. Note on BLACK BEARS they have become highly predatory in Alaska. ; Dog breeds that are large, powerful, and possess protective instincts, like the German Shepard, are excellent dogs to have . 45 & 9mm do not get past the fat layer to break bones and damage vital organs. most likely you sleep in your rig also. A picture shows a lamb and a mountain lion side by side. Cue the whining about how much of a shame it is to kill such a majestic animal. from the bear. A 300gr bullet at 1000 fps has 666 ft-lbs of energy. I some what agree. Unfortunately, an enraged bear will knock you down before your gun clears leather. Phil, I cant locate that corner; theres a ******bear down there! Now, as surveyors, we carry machetes to cut the brush in between our survey stations, and we are rather proficient with them. Not an expert by any means, just always loved the horribilis in the name, denoting the end result of chance meeting with an angry Grizzly in a dark alley. There are many rifles to go with other calibers that would be nice to have same caliber bullet in pistol and rifle (i.e. DRT. I would still rather have a 12 gauge though. No semi-auto makes the grade except perhaps the .50 AE, but most ammo for that fails due to bullets. I do not shoot rabid animals in the head for fear of spreading the rabies virus from the brain, I do not know if this is true or not but thats what Ive been told. Department spokesperson Peter Tira told LA Times: "It's been a day-to-day, hourly kind of situation. 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